We made an interview with a Gerilla of the People’s Army about the current lived process and developments, and reality of war in our geography of the Middle East, in which the US imperialism and Israeli Zionism started new attacks directed against the reactionary Iranian Molla-Regime.
Firstly welcome; can you present yourself?
Hello. My name is Eylem Munzur. I am a commander of TİKKO. Before I start to talk, I want to say something about the process. As it is known, March is the month of resistance and massacre. In the memory of the people it is takes place like this. Firstly I respectfully remember all of the ones, that lost their life in the of Halepçe, Qamişlo, Beyazıt, Gazi and Umraniye. We are also remembering Mahir Çayan and his comrades who were immortalized in Kızıldere on the 30th of March. In the last week we celebrated 8th of March. At the whole world women and LGBTI+ people filled the streets. They painted streets with rainbows against the patriarchal system. We salute this will. Even if it is late, but we congratulate to all the women and LGBTI+ people for the 8th March. In the next days there is Newroz. Newroz is the celebration of resistance for all Middle Eastern people but firstly for the Kurdish People. The fire, which is started by Blacksmith Kawa, became to the hammers shot by the Kurdish workers and laborers towards the head of the Despots. We celebrate the Newroz of our people. Newroz ji bo hemû gelê me pîroz be.
Firstly, I want to ask you about an current topic. We speak about the attacks of USA and Israel against Iran and the response that Iran give. On the 2nd congress of your Party, you pointed out that the imperialists are preparing for an new imperialist war of partition and expressed as a prior duty the necessity of struggling against this danger of war. How do you evaluate firstly the occupation of the Ukraine through Russia, then the Israeli attacks on Palestine, Lebanon and Iran, where they used the attacks of the 7th October as pretext and in the end the USA-Israeli attacks against Iran?
As you said, there are detailed clarifications about the lived process and specially about the situation of the imperialist-capitalist system in the documents of the 2nd congress of our party. The document about the situation in the country and the world is giving very clear perspective for us, as well as for the international proletariat and the people of the world. The imperialist-capitalist system is living the result of the crisis of the year 2008, that they couldn’t overcome. Because of this, they focused more to the regional wars. But these regional wars didn’t bring the solution for imperialist-capitalist system’s crisis. In this process, two blocks were bulid, on one side USA-England and the European union, on the other side China and Russia. Today we face with the war in Ukraine, as well as with the attacks to Iran, Lebanon and Palestine as a result of the competition between these two blocks. It is a “preventive” attack of the US imperialism against China, appearing as a “new and young” imperialist force on the market competition. For this purpose, the US imperialism is using the Israeli Zionism as their forward base in the Middle East and at the same time one of the reasons for these attacks is to solidify the security of the Israeli Zionism. The attacks against Iran should be understood like this. The Iranian Molla-Regime is a reactionary regime. Of course, the Iranian Molla-Regime doesn’t have the goal for liberation of exploitation, independency and democracy for the Iranian people. But at the same time the Us is making propaganda that they started these attacks to bring democracy for Iranian people, which is a big lie. In response to the US attack, reaction, nationalism and chauvinism is fed in Iran. Some years ago, Iran made a longtime contract with the Chinese imperialism about the country’s underground sources, which they hid from the people. This hidden contract led to big reactions under the Iranian People, Revolutionaries and Progressivist.
In this case how do we have to evaluate to currently war?
It needs to be expressed clearly; this war is an unjust and reactionary war. As I mentioned, this unjust and reactionary war isn’t in the interests of the working class and laborer people, neither in the US nor in Iran. This war is to strengthen the US hegemony again. Through using of the propaganda of the “Big and little devil” inside of Iran Chauvinism and Nationalism is strengthen. The statements of the US president Donald Trump about his “personal will” and “trader” standing are for sure not true. Trump is not a reason, he is a result. The US imperialism tries to overcome the weakening of their hegemony through the perspective of “Make America Great Again”, personalities like Trump are representant of this. Not just for the Iranian and the US proletariat, but for the whole international proletariat and the people of the world this war means hunger, poorness and stealing of their rights. As we pointed out on the documents of the 2nd congress, this war should be seen as part of the preparation for the 3rd imperialist war of partition. So of course, it is necessary to organize ourselves against this kind of reactionary and unjust wars of partition and to take place in the progressive, revolutionary and just wars. To be against the unjust and reactionary wars should not be just a slogan, it means at the same time to fight with the weapon in the hand.
Are there other signs for the 3rd imperialist war of partition that you mentioned?
Of course. At first, I can give the example of the since fore years continuing war between Ukraine and Russia. This occupation war is not independent of the contradictions and conflicts between the imperialist forces. Because of this on this topic I could give countless examples. But, in our opinion one of the biggest sign for the preparation of a new war of partition, is the aiming of revolutionary and progressiv organizations and movements of opposition, of communist organizations, different national movements, as well as states, which are not under the control of the imperialist and regional reactionary forces and that shows a risk for their interests
It is clear, that Socialism is still the biggest fear of the imperialist-capitalist system. Even if today there is no Democratic Peoples Power or socialist state, which both are important experiences and alternatives to the imperialist-capitalist system. But still, the attacks against the only alternative to the imperialist/capitalist system is continuing. Specially the bourgeois ideologs started a new wave of attacks against Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.
More than this, the attacks are not restricted to the ideological sphere, in the military sphere these attacks are turned to physical liquidations and erasing. In this context there are military aggressions in form of execution attacks in the Philippines against the New People’s Army, led by the Communist Party of Philippine. As well as in India, where the reactionary Indian state serious attacks on the Peoples Liberation Gerilla Army, led by the Communist Party of India (maoist) started. In the “Kagaar operation” of the Indian state, we lost a lot of important cadre and fighters, firstly comrade Basavaraju. But we know and we have no doubts, that besides these attacks of the Indian state, the revolution of India will stand up on their feet again, even stronger than before and continue to go forward, as they did in the past. Because the history is not stopping to go forward. We are greeting our comrades, that were immortalized with honor by waving the red flag of the international Proletariat, we bow with respect in front of their struggle.
For sure these attacks of liquidation and erasing are not only directed against the communist parties, as the most forwarded positions of the international Proletariat. At the same time, whatever organization or structure which is not under the control of the imperialist forces, is an aim of these attacks. One of the most important examples of are the attacks against the resistance of the Palestine People under the pretext of the Aksa Tufan operation from the 7th of October. The imperialist and Zionist Propaganda put the Hamas in front to delegitimate the resistance of the Palestinian national movement. They made a lot of propaganda about this. But despite these black propaganda, the international Proletariat stood side by side with the struggle of the People of Palestine.
In Lebanon the aggressions directed to the Hezbollah are continuing. The attacks on Hezbollah, as well as the attacks on Iran needs to be see parallel to each other. The Kurdish national movement is under a serious attack of liquidation and disarming. These attacks begin firstly on Rojava. Rojava is an important example, as there were democratic achievements for the people, the women and the different nationalities and ethnics reached. As the experience of the Rojava Revolution isn’t in the interests of the imperialist and regional reactionary forces, they brought a salafist, jihadistic organization in power. Through this they want to erase the gains of the Rojava revolution.
Exactly at this point I want to ask something. As TİKKO fighters under the leadership of your Party you took place in the war in Rojava. In the last stage of the process in Syria they stated that the agreement between HTS and the Self administration got solified. How do you evaluate the developments in the last time in Rojava?
To answer this question, I will continue from the one before. The US made a choice, they changed their tactical agreements. Even if there was resistance against the last wave of attacks against Rojava, as the main line, the SDF put the line of agreement and compromise. And together with this line, they started to retreat step by step. In this process the arab clans decided to not fight in the ranks of the SDF, so then the main force on the frontline was out of Kurdish forces. Despites the line of pulling back, the resistance continued. As you mentioned before, we took place in the resistance of Rojava in this process, as well as in the ones before. Also other revolutionary organizations of Turkey took place in this process. The Martyr Nubar Ozanyan Armenian Battalion was stationed on the frontline. The forces specially took place in the frontlines of the capitol city Heseke and its surrounding. We should take attention to the point, that the contribution of the Revolutionary organizations of Turkey in the Rojava resistance was a point of trade for the fascist Turkish State. Hakan Fidan’s declarations showed that very clearly, and in the last time it became even more clear. Today we can observe that the medias under the control of the fascist Turkish republic, are still sharing a lot of news against Rojava in general and specially against the revolutionary movement of Turkey inside the Rojava resistance.
From your Partys and Armies perspective, how do you evaluate this process?
I can say, that this periode is difficult for us. First I can express the following. We are followers of the comrade Ibrahim Kaypakkaya. In this sense, if the interests of the Party and the People come against each other, we are on the side of the People. In this process, under different circumstances, we follow this principle. Of course we can find several critics on this process. Besides all the negative aspects of the war period, the Kurdish national movement declares, that they could take concrete gains in their hands. But the time will show if these gains can be solidified or not. We know, that this current developments in Rojava are not restricted to the borders of Rojava. Since more than a year the Kurdish national movement, under the leadership of Abdullah Öcalan, is going through a “process” with the Turkish republic state.
If I understood right; the latest developments in Rojava will continue to be connected to the “process” between the Kurdish national movement and the Turkish republic state. At this point, can you say something about the current perspective of the Kurdish national movement in Türkiye?
Yes. Actually, it would be uncomplete to call this “process” only as the perspective of the Kurdish movement. Actually in the beginning of the interview I said, all of these developments should be seen as preparation of 3rd imperialist war of partition. The imperialist forces USA, England and the European union, as well as the regional reactionary forces as the Israeli Zionism and the Turkish republic fascism are doing serious preparations. The whole process is connected to that. How I told before, this process took it’s form through the interventions of the fascist Turkish republic. The western imperialist brought Colani, as the one that promised the most profit for them, to Power. If you remember, the English imperialists stated, that they prepared Colani some years ago. One of the reasons why they brought Colani to power, is, that they don’t allow structures like the Rojava Revolution, where the people reached important democratic gains. The imperialists didn’t make a choice between the Kurdish national movement and HTS, they just don’t need the Kurdish National Movement anymore. And it needs to be accepted, that the Turkish republic state could combine successfully their one politics and the interests of the imperialists.
It is no secret that the developments in Rojava are connected to the ongoing “process” between the Turkish state and the leader of the Kurdish national movement Abdullah Öcalan. On the one side, this process is calling as like “Peace and democratic solution process” by Kurdish National Movement and Abdullah Öcalan but, as we know, the fascist Turkish state is following other politics. On the council’s report it was clear, the enemy is still talking about “cleaning the country from terrorism”. We think, that this process is not done in an ethic way. Because on one hand Abdullah Öcalan is still imprisoned,under these circumstances every statement and every information that is send from the prison get questioned a lot. On the other hand, from the beginning on this process should be done openly in front of the people. But still a lot of points are keeping secret and hidden.
Our party shared before how we are evaluating this “process” as well as the call of Abdullah and the “paradigma. Because of this I think here it is not needed to go into detail again. Now they are mentioning some changes of the constitution in the month of April. They mention things like the law of regret and similars. This discussion shows clearly the politics of the fascist Turkish republic to “solidify the inner front”, whereas Peace is no topic. It shows clearly, that this preparation is leading to an increasing of the oppression against the People and the Masses.
In the end, do you want to add something?
In next July, there is a NATO summit in Türkiye. We are calling all the women, youth, LGBTI+ people, workers, peasants and all of the oppressed people to the resistance against that summit.
And as I said just before, the fascist Turkish state has no any goal as like peace or democracy. In contrary, they always say this process is about “solidify the inner front”. Not just the Turkish state, at the whole world there are preparations. There are serious attacks against the gained rights of the people. And our duty is to strengthen our preparations against these attacks. As our Party pointed out in the documents of the 2nd congress, we should build up and take place in the anti-fascist anti-imperialist unities. At the same time we have to fight with our weapon in the hand the just war against the unjust wars. The reactionary forces, as well as the imperialst-capitalist system are directing all their attacks to disarm us and our People, to break the trust of the people in the armed struggle, we need to stay against this.
Because of this, we call foremost the youth and the women, as well as all of our people of different ethnics and beliefs to organize yourself inside in the ranks of the People’s Army and to fight with the weapon in the hand against imperialism, comprador capitalism, patriarchy, feudalism, racism, chauvinism, and all kind of reaction.
We thank you for this possibility.
We also thank you.
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